Commenting

This post should have been written a long time back, it is late but nonetheless. This pertains to members who get their rangolis published at iKolam.

When someone takes the time to comment, it makes us feel as though what we are doing is worthwhile which, in turn, inspires us to continue. We have been working with an informal agreement that we comment/critique each others work without regard to person/place. With the expansion of the site, I would like to make it formal and require rangoli authors to abide by certain rules (these are more like etiquettes).

If you want comments on the rangolis that you submit, then you must comment on other members’ works. It is not possible to comment on an authors’ work every time it gets published. At the same time, ignoring that author’s work all the time is rude too.

What most members are looking for is feedback that pertains to the topic at hand. They do not enjoy irrelevant things discussed under their works. For instance, if some one has posted a rangoli for Diwali, it makes sense to say something regarding the rangoli rather than only wishing a happy Diwali.

Effective today, if your rangoli is not enabled for comments, it is a hint that you very rarely comment on others works.

Comments?

Comments

sudhabalakrishnan's picture

Hi lata, Is there any problem in my commenting ? please let me know. I observed in to day's uploaded rangoli of inidra sundar and suganthy maams rangoli has no "post new commnets " please check it out. Also pleaseeeee see to upload my kolams also. thanks sudha

ammuchandhini's picture

hai mam i could also feel the same problem as to not able to send my views for indramam's and suganthy mam's kolam also i just saw my mail r u suggesting we continue to discuss about our chennai meet via e mails and not through our website

sudhabalakrishnan's picture

Lata, I came to know the reason for the absence of the comment area in some members kolams.

jkmrao's picture

Why do certain people comment and others don't? To comment or not to comment, that is the question. (1) The time taken to view a rangOli and enjoy is quite different from the one necessary to study and comment, at least for me. One has to take a longer time to study the pattern if one has to pass comments on somebody else's work. People are busy, they may not have such time or inclination. I do not consider just "good", "nice", "fine" as comments. (2) Some people by nature are shy and reserved. This is reflected in their comments or no comments. (3) A few people may feel that their English vocabulary is not adequate. While they can read and understand and even converse, their writing abilities may be minimal. I find that this is true even in America where everybody knows English.

I'll let you on a secret. It took nearly two months to do research and write an exhaustive article on the song I mentioned in my blog. The telugu translation too is not trivial. It has to stick to the original metre also, that is the translated song could be sung in the same way as the original. That is why I have very great respect to the writers of dubbed films Smile To date, the number of comments on this is zilch whereas the number of comments on another musical article is nearly 20. Does that deter me from writing another article? No way!

Regards! - mOhana

jayamohan's picture

Thank God! Latha, you didn't say 'people who comment about other's kolam should upload their's for comments'! Some gain popularity thro' their kolams, some thro' comments. Catch my point?

dibbutn's picture

Lata maam I know how we all love to get comments ... my hands were itching to give a comment on a lovely kolam but I was not able to due to this problem... can u pls give some more time for these people you have disabled the comments section so that they understand the significance and give us their feedback ... maybe even after this they dont ... then perhaps you can take the decision... whatever be it ... I love getting comments... even if it is just a word ... cos we know even if the kolam is not good, they are commenting to appreciate our effort at attempting it and encourage us to become better or increase our enthusiasm to give more wonderful kolams... my humble request to all members pls do comment... this is something which keeps me going

lakshmiraghu's picture

While I join with few friends who has given their comments, yes indeed we need comments which makes us perfect or correct our mistakes however at the same time we should also able to comment say it in a positive manner for other's work also, which I feel will increase relationship within the site and we come to know each other well. At the end Lata ..Yes uploading creations is important, more important is building relations which can be derived only when we comment

Lata's picture

Thanks Mohanaji for your comments. The issue that I am raising here is limited to members who get their rangolis published at iKolam and not others. Well, I certainly have a issue with the silent readers too; but that will have to wait for another post Smile

My problem is with those publishing members who enjoy receiving and reading comments. So, the question of someone being shy, or not wanting attention, doesn’t come into account. Let’s not forget that the majority of the rangolis have phrases like “views please”, “your
suggestions”, or just plain “how is it?”. If the question is about feeling shy, they wouldn’t ask for attention by posting such phrases. Also, the members also know quite well, that ikolam accepts all kolams, even though at times, some members upload their work with Tamil descriptions. All of us have read Tanglish/Telugulish comments very often, so I do know that such members find a way to communicate despite having limited language skills.

<venting (or you could call this one of my secrets)>
I would like to get this off my chest that has been bugging me quite some time now. A few of our “active members” have never commented on any of my works. And, I am talking about more than 300 or so of my works (level intermediate or advanced, that I am pretty sure are not trivial). And, I just kept on spending my time, week after week working with their submissions. Till last year, I used to spend a lot of my time prepping 90% of the submissions to be ready for publishing. Of course I have a vested interest in the quality of the content at iKolam. At the same time, I would like to think that I am not being taken for granted.

Of course we are not going to get deterred, just because we don’t get any comments from others, on one/few of our files. Because, we create/write for our enjoyment (mainly). But, I’m forced to ask myself; do I continue to work with those members’ files, who have not commented at all in ANY and All of my posts, especially when I have served them for more than 2+ years?
</venting>

judelined's picture

Well well, "TO COMMENT OR NOT TO COMMENT" as JKM has termed it Smile

Lata, I personally feel that most people's basic interest when they join a site like this, is to look for kolams (frankly that's how I found this site), maybe new ones to add to their collection. Once we see others uploading their work, this automatically kindles an urge to submit our own work so that others can see how good (most often that's what everyone thinks) we are. New members might feel shy, or bad about their language command or whatever, but in good time, they also begin to share their views and comments. Though I joined more than two years back, I started uploading kolams only from margazhi contest 2009 onwards. Before that I never even visited the site (though I used to get news letters through mail), but once I started uploading, I found responses from others and then began to share my thoughts on others creations too. It is a learning process and not a very difficult one at that - as this website is very user friendly. Over a period of time you get to know each other and then become good friends. I owe a lot to ikolam as I found so many good friends here. I spend time looking at each kolam in detail to share my views on each and every creation. Good, nice and fine are sometimes said by me too, so that no one gets discouraged or disappointed at not having received comments for their work. Sometimes it is difficult to judge whether the other person will take your comments in a positive way or not. When I find I need to share my views on the negatives, I most often add - 'my opinion', because the creator might just think 'oh who is she to comment like that'. If I dont visit the site for two days or more, I make it a point to go back to where I ended the last time which most often takes a long time as I would have more than 35 to 40 kolams waiting to be seen - but still I try to religiously follow this. It makes me feel a bit guilty if I go without posting my comment on anyone's kolam, so sometimes I just leave atleast 'a very nice', or 'cute' etc.. When I post my kolams I love to see what others think of it and I am sure everyone has the same feelings too. I also make sure to thank the people who have stopped by to take their time to look at my work and make an effort to give me their views which I think is basic courtesy. If someone has the time to upload their own work, I definitely think they can spare some time to look at other's work and share their views too. There are far too many people who have never commented on any of my work too, but again that does not stop me from uploading nor even posting my comments on their very own work. All this is because I am too much in love with kolams and the related stuff to bother even about it.

I think you must have been pushed too far Lata, for you to have taken this step now, but I am sure, you know best.

Why am I talking so much now??? Well I am saying this, so everyone who knows me (or even doesn’t know me) can understand me better Smile

LONG LIVE EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH IKOLAM – I JUST LOVE THIS PLACE Smile

rajamma_2's picture

Judy, for the past 2 days I was wondering how to write what I feel about "commenting"
you made my work easy. Word by word you have expressed my views Thank u. Even I became an active member after Diwali contest 2008.Seeing Lata's enthu in publihing all the kolams with nice comments, I realised that by simply uploading kolams daily I cannot get the benefit of ikolam unless I enjoy others work and appreciate them also. The belongingness to ikolam site started only after that sharing.(thanks for Lakshmi for appreciating all the kolams by immediate comments and you for making it in a hilarious/humourous way). At one stage I found myself enjoying the art of commenting others work in a joviale way and uploading my kolams became secondary for me.( Sometimes I insisted also someof the friends to give their comment on my work and others, openly).But I understood that it is ones wish to express their opinion or appreciation openly.... to be continued.

rajamma

jkmrao's picture

Due to time constraints and other deadlines, I am unable to comment as much as I used to do earlier. Also, the present format of rangOli display makes it more difficult to go back to the earlier entries. Therefore till the constraints ease, I try to comment only on a very few rangOlis that catch my fancy. Believe me, I appreciate and enjoy the others too. It is not my intention to leave anybody out.

Regards! - mOhana

judelined's picture

You are excused JKM - take your time but please leave a remark - believe me it makes a lot of difference - atleast to me (and I know to many others too) Smile

Lata's picture

Yes Judy, I think I was pushed too. But not because members asked me to publish their work too often, or emailed me asking about their stuff too often. What drove me to the edge was; serving someone for years, not getting any response in return and then finally, a few months ago having my work AND my members' work (5 of them) plagiarized for publishing in a blog. I bit the bullet too many times, and then decided to take a diversion from taking the high road any longer. As my husband said, any more higher and I'll end up way high in the clouds (some place I don't want to be yet). Smile

Pushpa; my response is given in your today's kolam. Thanks for your input. Smile

Lakshmi, you bring an excellent point about relationships. Building relationships start with communication. Communication starts with showing basic courtesy. And basic courtesy is what some members took for granted. Smile

Jayaji, I always catch your point, and will continue to do so, because my hands are kept open in anticipation. I am confident I won't miss it. Smile

Rajam, I have been waiting to hear from you. Thanks for your words.

subashini's picture

I think , ikolam is a platform one who wants to share , or show their creation.It is user friendly site too.we can send it whatever we want.criticize without hurt anyone is acceptable.but sometimes we use some words without any thought.Here variety of people and so are opinion.who can say that who is right? By the way, jude and Rajam have expressed most of our thoughts correctly.Due to lack of time, power failure , server failure, some personal work are some of the reason , sometimes we missed to comment .It is not possible to comment all kolams without in fail. lata, I thing you don't force us to comment all kolams one by one.

Lata's picture

NO Subhashini madam, that's not what I said at all. Again, this was about not posting any comment at all for years together. Smile

Vinci's picture

Always a late comer..
As Jude said, I entered into ikolam just for having new ones to decorate my front yard and it led into passion to post mine's.. Earlier I was a very very silent admirer because I felt that a beginner can't comment about plus and minus, Though should have written a sentence..

I don't know why I haven't left any comments on Mohanaji's and Lata's work, still peeping now and there... My apologies for not doing so..

I'm the one in those few active members which Lata has mentioned in her post. I have pestered her to the core with so many mails and expected her to comment in my column, never posted in her's.. Indeed a selfish soul.. I'll try to change my attitude.. And ofcourse never entered into Dotted section. Bychance into this blog and happened to see so many discussions on the way.

And big thanks to the adminstrators for slicing your time and spreading happiness to the world..

Lata's picture

You are only 26 weeks old, in this site Vinci. I was mainly referring to members I had worked with for atleast more than a couple of years. Smile

judelined's picture

I admire your guts Vinci for admitting your mistake - there is always a time to make good changes in life so go right ahead... (by the way what is your name??)

Vinci's picture

Lata it doesn't matters how many weeks I have been a member in this site, its about courtesy.. When I expect, I should have reciprocated..

Jude I'm called as Vinci, part of my name..

jayamohan's picture

That should be the spirit, Vinci!Pour your comments!

toindhu's picture

First i would like to say sorry latha If we have made you feel taken for granted. the thing is as a begginer i dont feel iam yet experienced enough to comment on works by many of ikolam members. iam awestruck by the talent and perfection of the works that i feel who am i to comment on such great works. anyways i always try to leave a short appriciation or admiration to the work, any ways i have never tried pulli kolam and just now iam starting to experiment on it and sikku kolams to be frank i get frightened by them. thats why i just admire them and then iam gone , cant comment on something i dont even know the basics. as for other designs i have tried a few of your designs at home . particularly that kathakali desig took my fancy. had done it in november with few left over colours will upload it as soon as my problem regarding upload of image is solved. just remember that we all love you and admire you for all the troubles you take.

Lata's picture

Indu, this was meant to rock the boat a little bit, and to make everyone aware that the commenting feature is not to be taken for granted. No worries Smile

I had already emailed you about emailing me the file. Hope you remember. Email me and I'll check it out. Thanks so much Indu. Smile

toindhu's picture

lata i sent you a couple of kolams by mail 2-3 days back did you get them?

sjnt's picture

comment on commenting: This blog on commenting too, I noticed after rajam told about it.[What an observant teacher?] Mine is a mixture of many things. As far as I am concerned, sometimes, I visit regularly and whatever catches my opinion gets a comment if I have ample time to see the kolams in detail, ample time to think and write the comment, server availability, electricity availability, computer availability,mood, pre occupation etc etc. Sometimes, I don't go to the site at all for days together. As Judy said, going back and seeing from where I left last, WILL take lot of time and patience esp when the server and broadband connection is slow to the core. You feel like getting up even though u have time and inclination to see the rangolis and comment. So, those period rangolis will miss the comment but not intentionally.[Believe me, sometimes, I don't have the patience to go back and check if my rangoli is published or not if I don't visit the site for a couple of days.] You can comment like nice, good, cute etc for the sake of commenting, but as far as I am concerned, atleast half or one sentence will do some justice even though you don't write Ramayana. wotsay?

jkmrao's picture

Is it possible to have somewhere a list which contains the names of people who uploaded rangOlis in the last fifteen days? Then it is easy to go to the individual galleries and view the new rangOlis instead of the present method of going back one by one that is very slow? This thought occurred to me after I read jayantIji's comments.

Regards! - mOhana

gvidhya's picture

Nattula ena nadakthune theriyala.. apappa.. Anyway, coming to the point, am really sorry for my late entry to this topic.. cudnt get to see ikolam for many days due to hectic office work. Lata, As other members told, mainly to learn

gvidhya's picture

A big sorry for my late entry to this topic.. cudnt get to see ikolam for many days due to hectic office work. Lata, ppl join here mainly to learn new kolams and design. I learnt many basic things after joining ikolam. So, commenting on others work is a second phase in the starting and gradually it will take first place. But i never deny that the real contribution starts from commenting/sharing views abt other's work. I believe almost all the members know the importance of commenting others work and they are doing it. In my case, I love to comment on all posts..But becoz of not getting enuf time, i am not able to do so. I love to view all the new entries within the min. time am getting. Commenting comes next depends on timing. Sometimes, wtever we want to say would already have been commented by other members..in such cases, i cud leave some simple comments (nice, great etc.) It doesnt mean that our comments are not sincere. Hope i phrased wtever i wntd to say. However, will try to give more comments as much as possible. Good Day..

Lata's picture

Indu, the image had lot of white space surrounding it, and the whole image (with the white space) was more than 2000 pixels wide. Remember, the image can not exceed 800 pixels in width. This is the reason why you couldn't upload the picture, and emailing it to me, will also get the job done, but after some delay. I chopped off the extra space as you can see in the published version. Smile

Vidhya and Jayanthi, we appreciate that you took the time to say your thoughts on this one. We are glad members like you drop by when ever they can, and also take the time to comment on some of our members files. That's all we ask, thanks so much ladies. Smile

Mohanaji, we have new members joining ikolam everyday, and also members who start posting kolams for the first time almost on a daily basis. Once upon a time I used to work on the Gallery pages as soon as someone new has posted a rangoli. But nowadays, I work on making the Gallery folders once a month (due to the increase in number of members/rangoli files in leaps and bounds Smile )
We could show the list of names on the side, but some of them would lead to nowhere, since there would be no folders in the gallery for the new members. We would most probably bring the "recent rangolis" option in our next iteration, and at this time period, unfortunately, I'm unable to predict a time-frame.